i forgot that MoveOn and Kos were soo against him before, taste the medicine now Obamamanias! This is how we Clintonistas felt before.

Some battles you need to fight.  This is one of them.  Winning isn't worth much if you sell out your principles.

If he does anything less than vote against a bill that includes the retroactive immunity I will be rather pissed indeed.

I really can't tell.  It seems like a genuine call to support Obama but then when you say things like "he walks on water" I have to wonder.

failing to question politicians is what resulting in the chimpy years and more specifically - IRAQ.  it is the job of progressives to hold the government's feet to the fire.  sorry.

Nobody cares about a law that WEAKENS our rights? That shits on OUR Constitution?!

Give me a BIG FAT FUCKING BREAK!

We are NOT here to serve Obama or any politician! They are here to serve We The People! They are to Protect and Serve the Constituion of The United States Of America!

Period!

Also, this line makes me think you are a repub troll: "He either filibusters it and supports the terrorists".

Progressive Blue

How can they (or you) give Obama a free pass when Clinton was literally eviscerated on the basis that she'd act in the very same manner if nominated?

I realize alot here don't want to acknowledge that reality, but it dosen't change the facts, or the primary attack history.

When Obama chastises Black males for lack of family involvement. Do you see African Americans doing back fits trying to bring the house down. No. They keep their disagrement quiet but they will back him 100% to get him elected.

about the frickin FISA law.

ALL that needs to happen to the FISA law is to update it. To add the things that did not exist at the time. Such as Email, cell phones, etc.

The FISA law has ALWAYS allowed them to start a wire tap but they had to get a warrant and the big OK within 72 hours or they would be breaking the law! This helped to keep them honest. Right now, the FISA law, how they are changing it and bush's interpretation of it reminds me of the Soviet Union, China and 1984!

So Wake The F UP!

ok?

Progressive Blue

Yes we support Senator Obama for General Election.
It does not mean we have to agree with every policy of Senator Obama.
It does not mean we have to drop our principles for protection of our privacy from Government intrusive monitoring ( with possible illegal cooperation from the telecom companies) to support him.
It does not mean we have to endorse his moves to court the Evangelical Right to garner votes for his election.

Personally I don't think Senator Obama is expecting us to endorse all of his moves and policies.

However I find in most of the issues affecting this country and our lives, my thoughts are closer to him and feel comfortable in supporting him for the upcoming November election.

... what's the point?

If we can't lobby our elected and soon-to-be elected officials to fight for our rights, why bother at all?

Republicans do the blind allegiance thing, not us.

They feel he did a bad thing, and they're criticizing him.

not only would 9/10 of Americans have no idea what FISA is, but very few people actually care.  I think people in the blogosphere confuse themselves into believing they are representative of the country as a whole, which is a mistake that leads people to the outrage that happened over the last few days.  Most Americans will only ever understand this bill as Obama supporting terrorists in GE  adds for McCain, real world politics at its best.

He was weak to begin with.  Too bad they did not research this before they endorsed him.  Aug 25?? You might want to reconsider.

I'm not sure whether you're sincere or not, but this is probably the most heavy-handed diary I've ever seen.  Whatever happens in the next week is unlikely to be a dealbreaker.  It's unfortunate that virtually no one here paid attention to FISA until the House passed a bill and it suddenly became a presidential issue.  Talk about being asleep at the switch.

Obama has my back even if he compromises on this. But it will give him less room for error in the future. So unless, he is sure he wont compromise on a single other issue, he better try his best to add some teeth to this bill.

The point of power is taking advantage of it. Parties, ideas and movements only have power for a short period of time and then it will switch. Right now is one of the rare times that liberals and liberal ideas are gaining traction at this time and it's imperative to make the most out of it. That is much more than allegiance to a certain individual. I proudly support obama but i also support pressuring him in order to make our voice heard because god knows he is getting plenty of pressure from coorporate america. I think move on is quite justified in pressuring obama.

Hahahaha. You fell for it.

The Obamanauts now urging us to support Obama because he's behaving in exactly the way they were excoriating Clinton for behaving. Personally I feel he is doing the right thing politically but the hypocrisy of these people has to be seen to be believed. It just goes to show the hollowness of much of their anti Clinton rhetoric. It's actually quite enjoyable watching them eat their sanctimonius hypocrisy and whining because the very people filling the internet with hate against Clinton are now turning it on Obama.  

wait so you are advocating that we dont say anything about the FISA mess. because it weakens him? how does it weaken him--- it keeps him in check. dude, as a candidate I expect to Obama to represent me. that means i have to speak my mind & tell him what I want.

I dont think this issue is a vote breaker, but if he fails to deliver I will be disappointed.

[I think people do need to speak up. we have stayed quiet, as a nation, for far too long.]

Have a gold sticker.

You are a special, special snowflake.

[Democrats will do anything to LOSE. Lose this election. You may as well go to bed. It is over.]

Sorry Markey the dems have already lost in NOvember by choosing the wrong candidate.  Obama lost half the party right away (of course at least half or 2/3's  will hold their nose and vote anyway) but dems can't afford to lose that other 1/3. And now wonder boy is making the obamanation mad too and some will jump ship.

Can anyone say Barack Dukakis?

I don't believe I've ever seen anything as stupid in my entire life.
Makes ya wonder how all the trolls got on and have been left on here.

The whiners? Deserve to have to live under a McCain Presidency but they will be the first ones to whine in here when it happens. I'm taking names so that when they do? We can smack the piss out of them.

in a Democracy. And we should not hold our own party accountable, we should only complain about the other party.

He's in a spot alright: the Republicans have craftily moved him into an almost impossible position, politically.

As you say, if he votes against the bill, with or without immunity, the right uses it to frame him as coddling terrorists. If he votes for the bill, even with immunity stripped out of it, he'll still piss off part of the activist base.

He's treading a fine line: his statement supports the restoration of oversight and civil liberties while opposing immunity. (He also declared Bush a criminal, in case anyone missed that.)

We'll see what happens when it reaches the Senate. He's on record as saying he would support a filibuster, but I suspect only if the vote is on immunity alone. Based on his positions for the last year, I expect a NO vote on a bill that includes immunity, but a YES if it's successfully stripped out. I expect him, basically, to be consistent. And he usually is.

The good thing, politically, is that this is happening in June. The other good thing is that a lot of Republicans have just a little over six months left in office.

Tell Obama not to do anything more that will weaken him.  Dang.  Does he know not to do this to himself?  Maybe you should tell him.

This doesn't have a snark tag.  What's up with that?

It is just so apparent to me that the liberal blogsophere simply wants to wage battles instead of win wars.

I am comfortable pissing off a portion of our so-called 'base' to see Obama sworn in as President.

Good Presidents know how to navigate competing 'factions'.  Inspite of our power, the Blog Left that is, Obama must learn to keep us near but not too near.

I believe this episode, and others down the road, will help him in this regard.

that's the difference.
Some democrats are suffering from their first high school romance hurt re: Obama and FISA.  Ignoring the wailing self-importance of these neopyhtes, the rest of the other Democrats are steaffastly focusing on November.

Obama's support of FISA is a side-show.

Sure...let's give Obama a free ride..."cause he's only being politically epedient to get elected". You mean like Hillary?

What will you say when Obama renegs again during his term in order to get re-elected?